Q 1) Did jesus die before the 2 thieves??? Why did he die so fast.....
2) If he did die, why did the blood from the pierced side gush so much—as if his heart was still beating......
3) I know the fact of the Old Testament said his legs would not be broken, in prophesy—but was there a reason the his legs weren't......was it because of the bad condition of Jesus after the beatings he suffered
4) I have a muslim pamphlet stating Jesus was only a
"gardener" exiting the tomb as Mary came to check on
him the third day......sorry but don't have a study BIBLE TO
FIND THE ANSWERS MYSELF
A 1) Jesus died first. John 19:32-33 says that after the soldiers broke the legs of the two thieves (so as to hasten death), they discovered Jesus was already dead. As to how fast He died, Mark 15:25-34 makes it six hours which doesnt seem that fast to me. But He undoubtedly died in much less time than others suffering the same style of execution. Bear in mind that Jesus was in control of when He died (John 10:17-18). John 19:30 says, So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit. When the appropriate moment had come, He died according to His choice. Why? Since Christ was our Passover (1 Cor. 5:7), His death had to come before the end of the day to conform to the Jewish time to sacrifice the Passover lamb.
2) You say, If He did die...? Muslims believe that Jesus only swooned, and you mention a Muslim pamphlet, so I take it you are being influenced by someone who is a Muslim. Actually, there is plenty of evidence right in the text that Jesus really died and didnt just swoon. Luke says, He breathed His last (Luke 23:46) and John says, He gave up His spirit (John 19:30). The Roman soldiers, who were professionals in the crucifixion business, realized they didnt need to break His legs because He was already dead. They could hardly have been mistaken. The centurion, who was in charge of this whole proceeding, confirmed the death to Pilate (Mark 15:44-45). It would have been even more strange for this professional to have been deceived. Finally, various modern medical authorities have expressed the opinion that the blood and water confirm His death.
The fact that blood and water came out does not mean that the heart must still have been beating. The text just says came out not gushed. As mentioned above, many medical authorities have declared that this would be natural for one whose side was pierced. It could have been either side and the spear point pierced a lung and the heart—thus bringing out blood and water. And why say, so much? There is no indication of how much came out.
3) The point of breaking their legs was to hasten death. Crucifixion was as slow process of killing a person basically from exhaustion. Often those crucified would linger for 2 or 3 days. But the most comfortable position of the body prevented the victim from breathing properly and he would have to periodically raise himself somewhat in order to exhale. This cycle of agony between the most comfortable position for the pains and the position necessary to breathe kept the victim alive for days but made it an excruciating way to die. The Romans sometimes hastened death by breaking the legs so the victim could no longer raise himself to breath properly. They kept a large hammer for that purpose. The condemned would die very quickly after that.
In this crucifixion, the Sabbath was approaching and the Jews requested that death be hastened in order to prevent the victims from lingering through the Sabbath (John 19:31). But in Jesus case, the breaking of the legs was unnecessary because He was already dead (another proof that He did indeed die). This is clear from the text of John 19:33 But when they came to Jesus and saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs.
4) I can't comprehend the Muslim idea of Jesus being a gardener
exiting the tomb. I suppose they need to try to prove that Jesus
was not resurrected. John 20:15 says, Jesus said to her,
"Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?"
She, supposing Him to be the gardener, said to
Him, "Sir, if You have carried Him away, tell me where You
have laid Him, and I will take Him away. How do they get
that Jesus was a gardener when the text says only that Mary SUPPOSED
Him to be the gardener? There are plenty of proofs for the resurrection
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